Sunday, October 18, 2009

Week 5 day 1

Read 1 Thessalonians 4
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%204&version=NIV

Paul now instructs the Thessalonians further on living to please God (4:1–2). Paul reminds his converts that God calls believers to live holy lives, separate from sexual immorality and lusts (vv. 3–8). He urges them to love each other and all the brothers even more than they do now (vv. 9–10) and reminds them of the importance of honest work (vv. 11–12)



The second coming of Jesus had formed an important part of Paul’s teaching during his visit, but it had led to misunderstandings. Timothy brought two questions to Paul. The first concerned the fate of Christians who had already died when the Lord returned (4:13–18), and the second was about the danger of the living being taken unawares by the Lord and somehow not participating in the event (5:1–11).

Evidently the readers thought that people who fall asleep (i.e. those of their number who had already died and any others who might die) before the second coming would remain in their graves and not take part in the event. This would suggest that either they had not heard of the resurrection of the dead (which is not very likely, since the resurrection of Jesus was part of the primitive gospel), or they had not understood properly what they had been taught. Lacking full knowledge of the Christian hope, they were like non-Christians, ‘without hope and without God’ (Eph. 2:12).

The basic answer to the problem is the fundamental piece of Christian teaching that Jesus died and rose again. It follows that the God who raised Jesus will bring with him the people for whom he died, and who died believing in him. Paul says nothing as yet about the dead being raised to share in this event, but it is obvious that, if they are going to share in it, they must be resurrected in order to do so. In fact, so far from their being left out of the glorious events associated with the second coming of the Lord, they will have precedence over those still living. (Paul speaks of we who are still alive; this use of words indicates that he reckoned with the possibility that the Lord would come in his own lifetime, but did not necessarily regard this as a foregone conclusion.)

Confirmation of this statement is given by reference to the Lord’s own word, which is best understood as teaching of Jesus akin to Mt. 24:30–31 rather than a revelation from the risen Lord to a prophet or to Paul himself. (Paul also refers to it in 1 Cor. 15:52.) The command, the angelic voice and the trumpet are interpreted as means of rousing those who are asleep in death and raising them to be with the Lord (Jn. 5:25–29). They rise first, i.e. before those Christians who are still living are caught up to be with the Lord and go to meet the Lord in the air. This implies that the Lord returns with his people to the earth. This language was probably never intended to be understood absolutely literally; it is describing things that go beyond words. The important thing is that believers, whether the dead or the living, are with the Lord for ever.

Discussion question

The United Methodist believes that Christ will return again, but do not spend much time trying to figure out when that will happen. The UMC feels that we should be spending our efforts on spreading the good news of Christ and reach as many people as possible. We also believe that “It is God’s will that you should be sanctified” and live that sanctified Holy life that Paul has been talking about.

What are some of the thoughts and questions that you may have in verses 13-18?


Reflection question

If you know where you are going when you die, how should that effect the way you live your life?

7 comments:

  1. I have always had a problem understanding this passage as I have understood it to mean that we will all go to heaven at the Coming of the Lord. Those who are left and those who have died in Christ. So that would mean that those who have died in Christ don't immediately go to heaven?

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  2. To me this section is somewhat confusing but the most important verse to me is verse 17. This says that we who are still alive and left on earth at the second coming will be joined with the those who have died in Christ. The end of verse 17 says "And so we will be with the Lord forever." Thats all I need to know.

    Am I being too simplistic in this reading?

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  3. I have always been confused about this and still am. I have heard that when a person dies, his soul goes to Heaven right away and his body stays here until the resurrection. Those who are left will, according to this interpretation, be caught up at the resurrection and go with them. I have also heard that at some point there is a rapture in which those alive who are devoted believers will leave ahead of those who haven't received Christ and lived a devoted life. Somewhere in all this there is a Tribulation. I think I need more explanation with scripture references to tie it down. It's all very confusing. I just trust God to straighten it all out when the time comes.

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  4. I agree with previous comments. It's all very confusing, but therein lies the rub - faith is about believing beyond the confusion. My faith says that even though I don't "get it", God does, and when my time comes He's got my back ;-)

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  5. I know that this topic is confusing; we will be talking about the resurection of the dead in 1 Corinthians in a week or two, which might help the confusiion a little.

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  6. jeanie said;
    I have heard many comments on this matter. My Grannie always eplained it much like Teh King James does. I think , that I would always go with that . I can remember Grannie telling what the Bible told. I have always believe that I am going to Heaven when I did. Even when others might have douted that.
    I'ver questioned that fact. It is not a maybe it is a so!!!!
    I told the doctors so when they expressed
    concern that I was aloned for my last two operations. They concerned that I had told my daughter to tade her childred and go home. I knew that God was with me. My daughter was a wreck and her children would have cause far more fun than it was worth. I said that I was not concerned for myself.I know where I'm going when I leave this world.
    iTS NOT DUE TO MY PERFECTION . It's due to my faith.

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  7. Funny how people interpret those verses differently. I have been involved in discussions where some believe the spirit goes to heaven after death. And others say the spirit sleeps until the second coming. I believe the first, I think the spirit goes to heaven after death. I agree with Doug - the end of verse 17.

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